My pastor has convinced me that I need to be more positive. Not in a "New-Agey" kind of way, of course; nor in a "Pollyanna" kind of way. Rather, in my opinions and polemics especially, I tend to be forceful in what I'm against; the result being that people are less willing to receive what I have to say. I agree with him, though I admit that in practice it is much more difficult than it soundsAs I experiment more with being positive in debates even with people
Case in point, I was debating (what else?) Calvinism online, against this one guy (I assume it's a guy) who was saying some things which
You calvinists limit God [by] just thinking that he controls everything and that's it.And that kind of thing.
Anyway, at one point I
I debated continuing my assault on his bad arguments, but in a rare expression of good judgment, I decided to become more respectful. And I was pleasantly surprised when he responded in an equally respectful tone.
Now, most of you are probably wondering what the big deal is here. But, call it my pride, call it stubbornness, call it what you will, it was actually a) surprising to me that he didn't instantly repent of his bad logic and come over to my point-of-view when I slapped him around verbally, and b) it is difficult for me to accept that if I make a conscious effort to be respectful even when dealing with
It is actually remarkable the change that came over this guy when I changed my tone: before, he was doubting my salvation, implying I hadn't spent much time studying the Bible, etc., basically sounding very "spiritual". But afterward, he was willing to discuss with me; he said he would be "happy" to hear my reply; he hoped that by talking we would both come to better understanding of the issue.
So, what is common knowledge to most is earth-shattering revelation for me: that when you're nice to people, they'll be nice back. I still believe that strong language and sarcasm are good and necessary; but I need to be more selective in where I apply them. This is one of the many ways in which the Lord Jesus needs to conform me to His image. Debate and disagreement are normal and useful for learning; but only when people actually listen to each other. And people only listen when they aren't defending themselves.
So, OK, maybe my Pastor is on to something here; maybe common wisdom is actually worth listening to in this case. Maybe I should be nice in debates
Maybe I'll start tomorrow...
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"That's the problem with debating. Everyone just gets further entrenched in the view they had in the first place."
-Oscar, The Office
Maybe it's just me, but whenever there's a direct debate in which both sides are logically presented, it most often seems painfully clear to me which side is in the know. It seems like you can't convince idiots, and everyone else barely needs convincing. Am I the idiot?
So I ended up here because you posted a link to another post on Facebook (about not attending worship at King's).
And I'm really glad I clicked on this link next.
Because when I was reading the other post, I was thinking "Where is the love is this?" Not in a hippy feel-good kind of way...but in a "If this is how you feel, why isn't your heart breaking for these people? And if it is, why are you lashing out with anger and judgement instead of love and knowledge?"
So (even if this post was written a couple of years ago), it's nice to hear you reflecting on holding people accountable, but in a somewhat more gentle fashion. I can agree with you in saying that sometimes there are times where being blatant (abrupt?) can be ok...but I think that those times are most likely to happen in the context of relationship. If we use too much force too quickly, we tend to push people away, and might even help close them off to God.
Just a thought. Either way, I just wanted to say that I appreciated this post, because it's always cool to see how God works in people's lives. And even though we probably don'T see eye to eye on a lot of things, discussion is always great.
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